Political System Practicals Part I

Political System Practicals Part I


Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna
Hare Hare| Hare Rama Hare Rama Rama Rama Hare Hare|| Alright, that was the principles behind the
political system. Now, now lets see the practicals aspects of
it. You see, the Éçopaniñad says
éçäväsyam idaà sarvam [Éço mantra 1]—everything that exists belongs to the Supreme Personality
of Godhead. In Bhagavad-gétä Lord Kåñëa also claims
that He is the proprietor of all planetary systems (sarva-loka-maheçvaram [Bg. 5.29]). Since this is the case, no one can claim to
be proprietor of the state. The king, president or head of the state should
always remember that he is not the proprietor but the servant. As stated in Bhagavad-gétä (5.29):
bhoktäraà yajïa-tapasäà sarva-loka-maheçvaram
suhådaà sarva-bhütänäà jïätvä mäà çäntim åcchati
Kåñëa, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, is the ultimate proprietor of all the planets
and is therefore the enjoyer of all activities, political, social, cultural, religious, economic
and so on. Does it make sense to you? Yes. And thus naturally,
The supreme leader is God. God. Yes. Ok, yes. Supreme leader is God. Nityo nityänäà cetanaç cetanänäm (Kaöha
Upaniñad 2.2.13) um Aham ädir hi devänäm [Bg 10.2]
Everyone says, “Don’t accept leader. Accept me as leader, that’s all.” But our proposal is that the, without leader
nothing can be done. And the supreme leader is the Supreme Personality
of Godhead, and His representative should become the leader. Then the society will be perfect. The supreme leader is God. aa.. What is it with this leadership? You see, a leader leads everyone. He tells where to go. Yes, so? You see, Krishna is the supreme leader, but We manufacture our leadership. That is the defect. They’ll do in their own way, concocting some
idea. And your idea will clash with me, my idea
will clash with you, the same struggle continues. umhm
The leader must be perfect. If the leader is blind, how can I accept such
blind leader? See, I am blind; therefore I am asking, “Can
you help me cross the road?” Another blind, “Yes, come on, I shall.” Why shall I accept? First of all I shall ask, “You have got eyes?””No,
I am also blind.” What is this nonsense? Aa? Andhä yathändair upanéyamänä. One blind man leading another blind man. Yes. True, the leader should have eyes. Not only that, but one must accept that Krishna
is the supreme leader. Yes true. Yes Krishna is the Supreme Leader. And since Krishna or Vishnu is the supreme
Proprietor and the supreme leader, then our aim should be to satisfy Him. And work His plan. Not ours. Ok Yes. We should follow and satisfy the supreme leader. That makes sense. Yes. So satisfying Vishnu is the thing. The Vedas maintain that the kingdom should
be governed for the purpose of satisfying the Supreme Personality of Godhead
Ok. And since,
supreme leader is God. So He gives instruction
Laws means actual, dharmaà tu säkñäd bhagavat-praëétam [SB 6.3.19]. For God said that is actual religion or law. the law given by the supreme head of the cosmic
manifestation, that is religion. aa..
and the law given by God is religion.That is our simple definition. Religion cannot be manufactured as law cannot
be manufactured. Oh!. Now it makes so much sense.. So if I understand it correctly, Krishna is
the supreme Leader and his plan or orders or laws for humans are called Dharma, or religion. And since we are followers of laws, we cant
make the laws at home. It has to be told by the Lord the supreme
leader and propritor of everything. Exactly. And that’s why dharmaà tu säkñäd bhagavat-praëétam
Yes. Exactly. What if someone does not follow the laws given
by God and makes their own plans? Hmm.. It will never be fulfilled, but still, they
will make plan. The Napoleon made a plan. Hitler made a plan. Churchill made a plan. Gandhi made a plan. Mussolini made a plan. But the plan and planmaker—all washed away. Things are going on as it is. Therefore Kåñëa says, sarva-dharmän parityajya:
[Bg. 18.66]”Don’t make plan. Take to My plan. You’ll be happy. I’ll give you.” This planmaking… Our government has got planning commission. Yes. The planning commission has brought people
in such a condition that they are dying of starvation. And they are taking salary, big, big, fat
salary. aa.. That is going on. Yes. Thus the people in the democratic nations
of the world should elect Kåñëa conscious leaders, who will establish an administration
consonant with the laws of God. Aa haa! If they fail to do so, their materialistic
leaders, oblivious of the will of the Supreme Lord, will undoubtedly be chastised by cataclysmic
events, and the people who elected such leaders, being responsible for their leaders’ acts,
will share in the suffering. Yaù çästra-vidhim utsåjya vartate käma-kärataù
[Bg. 16.23] In Bhagavad-gétä it is stated that anyone
who lives on concocted ideas, without reference to the scriptures, never becomes successful
and does not attain happiness or liberation after death. Ssssshhhushh. .. This is serious.. !!
Hmm.. I m glad you can understand the value of Dharmas-
the actual laws for human beings. But I tell you what, its more serious than
you comprehend. Sure, sure it is. Hmm..,
so since we accept Krishna’s leadership and we should follow His Laws, then for practical
purposes, who should be the leader? So tell me, if we are suppose to accept Krishna
as the leader and we should follow His laws, then for practical purposes who should be
the leader? One who follows and implements these laws
for general public. Perfect. In other words, a leader should be representative
of supreme leader God. aa.. Yes, yes, yes. God… The king is called nåpa-deva, nara-deva. Although he is in human form of body, he is
God. In the present age, the king or president
forgets that he is the servant of God and thinks of himself as servant of the people. the supreme leader is Supreme Personality
of Godhead, and His representative should become leader. Then the society will be perfect. The Vedas maintain that a kingdom should be
governed for the purpose of satisfying the Supreme Personality of Godhead and should
therefore be ruled by a representative of Lord. The king, president or head of the state should
always remember that he is not the proprietor but the servant. Because a king is supposed to be representative
of God, nara-deva. Now, the representative of God must be abiding
by the laws of God. Yes, yes. Certainly. And aa.. aa Prabhuji the king is above the
law right? The king is supposed to be representative
of God in the state. So “above the law” means because king is perfect
by abiding the laws of Kåñëa, he cannot be subjected to any subordinate laws. But his perfection is there only when he follows
Kåñëa’s order. Anyone who has got some power, he must know
that “This power is given by Kåñëa unto me, and to execute His will, not my sense
gratification.” Otherwise, it will be burden, and he will
be finished. This is laws of God. Thus the people in the democratic nations
as I said of the world should be should elect Kåñëa conscious leaders, who will establish
an administration consonant with the laws of God. the representative of Godmust be very obedient
to God, and then his position will be legitimate. Aa..hhaa.. Makes sense .. Yes. Yes. But, what happenes if they are not following
the orders of God? That is unfortunately avani-dhruk condition. Avani-dhruk ??
Yes, avani-dhruk – not abiding by the laws of God. Those who are trying to capture the governmental
power for his personal ambition, they will be killed. They will be killed. This way or that way, they will be killed. And persons who are taking responsibility
for maintenance of the government as representative of Kåñëa, they will be blessed by Kåñëa,
and Kåñëa will be pleased. If they fail to do so, their materialistic
leaders, oblivious of the will of the Supreme Lord, will undoubtedly be chastised by cataclysmic
events, and the people who elected such leaders, being responsible for their leaders’ acts,
will share in the suffering. Still you are creating a rebellious condition. That’s an avani-dhruk. These rascals who are going against the law
of God, they’re rebellious. So they’re rebellious. The king’s duty is to see as representative
of Kåñëa, as representative of God. Otherwise, what right he has got to take so
much honor from the citizens? He has no right. Aahaa.. If some leader is not following the Gods plan
then what should be done? What used to happen in the vedic times? Dethroned! Dethroned! Such a king or leader is dethroned or sometimes
even killed ! Really ! Why dethroned or killed? Yes. He is missing the whole purpose of governance. That is satisfying Vishnu. If he is not following Vishnus plan, then
whats the value of his leadership to the general public? Nothing. He is missing the common cause. Remember, satisfying Vishnu is the common
cause. Therefore dethroned.. True. True. True. Very true, yes ok. Yes. You see, to avoid avani-dhruk, he was guided by a council of learned sages
and brähmaëas. They were looking over the activities of the
king. As soon as there was some mistake they will
see. And there are instances; whenever there was
a bad king they were dethroned. Not for political purpose. First-class man, dvija-varya-çikñayä, they
used to teach. They used to advise.And if the king was worthless,
sometimes they would kill the king. And the next son, his son would take possession. So that was the government. If the brähmaëas would see that the kñatriyas,
the kings were not ruling properly according to the Vedic principle, sometimes they would
kill the king. Ok, but what is that Gods law in practical
sense? How do we get the Gods law? Gods words! They are the law. Gods words like the vedic scriptures like
Manu Samhita and Bhagavad Gita. Specially the Bhagavad Gita. Bhagavad Gita is Gods law. And they come to us by Disciplic succession. I see. Because king is representative of Kåñëa. Imaà vivasvate yogaà proktavän aham avyayam
[Bg. 4.1]. He first of all said the laws, the Bhagavad-gétä,
which is so important for the human civilization millions of years, at least forty millions
of years it was spoken to the sun-god, and sun-god gave it to his son Manu, and his son
Ikñväku inherited from Manu. This way the absolute law is coming by disciplic
succession. And formerly India was governed by monarchy. They received the law of God by disciplic
succession. They executed. This is the age of Vaivasvata Manu, and from
him came his son, Ikñväku. So by the paramparä system, if we take Kåñëa’s
instruction… Kåñëa’s instruction is already there. If the governments all over the world take
Kåñëa’s instruction, then every government will be perfect and there will be no disturbance
of peace and happiness. That will be perfect world. Kåñëa has given instruction in all fields
of activities. Simply we have to take it practically. The supreme leader is God. So He gives instruction, and real leader takes
the instruction by disciplic succession, and for the benefit of the total human society
they spread the message of God. I see. I get it. At this point I want to bring your attention
to a very important concept regarding the leader. Whats that? Rajarshi. Rajarshi? Yes, Rajarshi. imaà vivasvate yogaà
proktavän aham avyayam vivasvän manave präha
manur ikñväkave ‘bravét [Bg. 4.1] Formerly kings were räjarñis, which meant
that although they were serving as kings, they were as good as saintly persons because
they would not transgress any injunctions of the Vedic scriptures and would rule under
the direction of great saintly persons and brähmaëas. Therefore a certain man, qualified man, who
is, who enjoys the confidence of the people, he is accepted as the king. This is the position. So such president, king, or the executive
head, must be a saintly person. Therefore even Bhagavatam in Parikshit Maharaj
section it is said, parékñin näma räjarñiù. Räjarñi means those who are on the top of
the government, he must be åñi, saintly person. Just like this, our Kåñëa consciousness
movement, the head of the institution must be a saintly person. Otherwise how he can become a controller? Controller there must be. That what is the qualification of the controller? He must be a saintly person. He must know what is the principle of life,
what is the value of life, why one should be controlled by somebody else. These things are required to become qualified. True. True. If the leader is leading so many people and
even one, then he must be a saintly person. That is understandable. Yes. Also, since Bhagavad Gita is the law, he must
also understand Bhagavad Gita. Right? Precisely. But not only the leader but all the government
officials. They all must understand the laws, the vedas,
very well. Aaa haa.. yes..yes.. yes. SB 4.22.45
sainä-patyaà ca räjyaà ca daëòa-netåtvam eva ca
sarva lokädhipatyaà ca veda-çästra-vid arhati
In this verse it is clearly stated (veda-çästra-vid arhati) that all high government posts are
especially meant for persons who are well conversant with the teachings of the Vedas. In the Vedas there are definite instructions
defining how a king, commander-in-chief, soldier and citizen should behave. I see. But Prabhuji, coming back to the point of
Rajarshi, it seems to be a very high qualification. How do you get a Rajarshi? Training! Rajarshis means, he is trained as such. One person, well talented, well trained as
the head of the government, very peacefully he could execute the governmental function. Now your Senate is proposing, “Let us pray
to God how we can get good government.” They are coming down to again. But why not train? If the person is perfect, the government is
perfect. If the person is a fool, the government is
a fool’s paradise. That is the law of nature. There are so many stories of imperfect kings
or executive heads. Therefore, the executive head must be a trained
person like Mahäräja Yudhiñöhira Who trains him? Dvija-varya-çikñayä. The best of Brahmins. Why Dvija-varya-çikñayä? So how this knowledge can be gotten unless
one is trained by dvija-varya-çikñayä, first-class learned brähmaëas? One has to learn from him, not from the rascals,
fools, cats and dogs, No. That is not learning. Dvija-varya-çikñayä. The best ruling is monarchy, and monarch means
he must be a perfectly trained person by the best brähmaëas. That is perfect government. And as I said,
Now your Senate is proposing, “Let us pray to God how we can get good government.” They are coming down to again. But why not train? Yes.. Exactly. So Bhågupati. Brahma-druha. The administrative class, the politicians,
they must obey the order of the brähmaëas. So in those days, we learn, dvija-varya-çikñayä. Actually, the brähmaëas, they were controlling
the state, but not directly, not sitting on the throne, but giving the kings good advice
according to çästra, that “You rule over like this. This is the process.” And the kings would abide by… Although the monarchy was there, but they
were not irresponsible. So king, in Vedic civilization, the king was
absolutely following the regulation given by God, and it was confirmed by saintly persons,
sages. Then it was executed; not whimsically. There was advisory board of the monarch always. Advisory board of Brahmins. Yes. sainä-patyaà ca räjyaà ca
daëòa-netåtvam eva ca sarva lokädhipatyaà ca
veda-çästra-vid arhati In this verse it is very clearly stated that
a kingdom, state or empire must be governed under the instructions of saintly persons
and brähmaëas like the Kumäras. When monarchy ruled throughout the world,
the monarch was actually directed by a board of brähmaëas and saintly persons. The king, as the administrator of the state,
executed his duties as a servant of the brähmaëas. So you mean to say that the leaders were not
autocrats? Exactly. Leaders or Kshatriyas are not autocrats but
Brahma-druha. Brahmanical society. All the kñatriyas, kings, would be always
accompanied by hoards of brähmaëas. As soon as they required any instruction,
immediately consult the brähmaëas, and they gave good advice: “Do like this.” This is the business of the brähmaëa. And the kings, they would not do anything
without consulting. Don’t think that because there was monarchy,
they were all autocrat. No. If they If the brähmaëas would not agree,
then they won’t do. The brähmaëa’s community, all saintly persons
and learned scholars, brähmaëas… There was a committee, and the king would
take their advice how to manipulate the political affairs or administration, and they would
consult standard books. Standard books. Such noble king is not an autocrat but is
guided by Brahmins how to rule So Bhågupati. Brahma-druha. The administrative class, the politicians,
they must obey the order of the brähmaëas. That is Vedic culture. Therefore although there was monarchy, king,
one king, no democracy, but because the king would follow the instruction of the learned
sages and brähmaëa, they would rule over the country very nicely. Take, for example, if your president takes
our advice how to rule, then everything will be very nice. So brahma-druha. The society must be brahminical. Oh I see. That’s why Prabhupada talked so much about
the Brahmanical society. Yes. The Brahmins would advice. But not any brahmins. Then? Which Brahmins? Only Vaishnava Brahmins. Here Prabhupada tells about Mh Ambrisha. The Lord has given perfect advice in Bhagavad-gétä,
and Ambaréña Mahäräja, as the ideal executive head, ruled the entire world as a Vaiñëava,
taking advice from Vaiñëava brähmaëas. The çästras enjoin that even though a brähmaëa
may be well versed in occupational brahminical duties and may be very learned in Vedic knowledge,
he cannot give advice as a guru until he is a Vaiñëava. Interesting. Yes. ñaö-karma-nipuëo vipro
mantra-tantra-viçäradaù avaiñëavo gurur na syäd
vaiñëavaù çva-paco guruù Therefore, as indicated by the words as In
Srimad Bhagavatam , 9.4.21,tan-niñöha-vipräbhihitaù, Mahäräja Ambaréña took advice from brähmaëas
who were pure devotees of the Lord, for ordinary brähmaëas who are merely learned scholars
or experts in ve.. performing ritualistic ceremonies are not competent to give advice. In modern times, there are legislative assemblies
whose members are authorized to make laws for the welfare of the state, but according
to this description of the kingdom of Mahäräja Ambaréña, the country or the world should
be ruled by a chief executive whose advisors are all devotee brähmaëas. Such advisors or members of the legislative
assembly should not be professional politicians, nor should they be selected by the ignorant
public. Rather, they should be appointed by the king. When the king, the executive head of the state,
is a devotee and he follows the instructions of devotee brähmaëas in ruling the country,
everyone will be peaceful and prosperous. But todays leaders do not take advice of a
Vaishnava Brahmins. What happens to them? hhaaa
They are blindly following some ways of life. Blind men, certainly, without guidance, we
are falling down in the ditch. Once this human life is missed, he falls down
in the ditch. He does not… He becomes a tree. “Stand up there for one thousand years. What you can do?” This risk they are taking. They do not believe, therefore, there is next
life. And wherefrom this life came, varieties? These rascals have no brain, and they are
passing as scientist, politician, philosopher, all rascals, tenth-class men. Tell them. Unfortunately, in the present age of Kali,
the head of government does not follow the instructions given by the saintly persons;
therefore neither the citizens nor the men of government are very happy. Their duration of life is shortened, and almost
everyone is wretched and bereft of bodily strength and spiritual power. If the citizens want to be happy and prosperous
in this democratic age, they should not elect rascals and fools who have no respect for
saintly persons. They should not elect such persons. True. They must follow a learned Vaishnava Brahmanas
advice. Yes. True. Yes and the Vaishnava Brahmins must advice
by authorized scriptures- the laws given by God. Yes. Yes. Yes. Naturally. Yes. See, There was a committee, and the king would
take their advice how to manipulate the political affairs or administration, and they would
consult standard books. The learned brähmaëas would advise the king
in terms of those standard books of knowledge with reference to the particular situation
of time and place. Such brähmaëas were not paid servants of
the king, and therefore they had the strength to dictate the king on the principles of scriptures. The brähmaëas, they give guidance according
to the çästra, and the king is trained up in such a way that he takes instruction from
saintly persons and brähmaëas and rules over the kingdom. Therefore it was so perfect. Also its important that the leader/king must
have complete executive power. Yes. So tha.. so that he can implement Gods laws
for the citizens to follow. Yes. According to Vedic civilization, in a monarchy
the king is advised by saintly persons and sages. By taking their advice, he can become the
greatest executive power, and everyone in his kingdom will be happy, peaceful and prosperous. The modern elected executive head of a state
is just like a puppet because he has no kingly power. Even if he is enlightened like Mahäräja
Yudhiñöhira, he cannot do anything out of his own good will due to his constitutional
position. And as Gods Representative, what is his duty? What? Like, We present ourselves as God’s representative,
Kåñëa’s representative, then what is our duty? What is our business? What we are doing? We are trying to lead others to God consciousness. Aa That is the proof that I am God’s representative. Aaa… Ofcourse. Ofcourse… To make people God conscious is the duty of
the representative of God. Naturally.. Makes so much sense. Yes… The kñatriyas, or the ruling administrators
of any part of the universe, either on this planet or on other planets, are factually
the representatives of the Almighty Personality of Godhead, and they are meant to lead the
subjects towards the path of God realization. Every state and its administrators, regardless
of the nature of the administration—monarchy or democracy, oligarchy or dictatorship or
autocracy—have the prime responsibility to lead the citizens toward God realization. This is essential for all human beings, and
it is the duty of the father, spiritual master, and ultimately the state to take up the responsibility
of leading the citizens towards this end. Similarly, if the state or the state executive
head, the president or the king is taken, accepted as God’s representative, his first
and foremost duty is to train the citizens to become God conscious. If he’s lacking in that duty, he’s not fit
to become executive head, king of the… So this is nice philosophy, that this is not
the right philosophy, that the state head, the president or the king or whatever his
name is, he is the representative of God. Therefore his duty is to train the citizens
to become God conscious, pious, without any sinful life. Yes. Also the government should see that the citizens
are happy. That is the duty of the government. It may be monarchy or democracy. The first duty of the government is to see
that all the citizens, they are feeling happy. That is the duty of the government. Yes. Now,
King means Kåñëa’s representative, nara-devatä. The king is supposed to act on behalf of Kåñëa. Yes. Just like Kåñëa’s business is pariträëäya
sädhünäà vinäçäya ca duñkåtäm [Bg. 4.8]. Yes, yes. Similarly, king’s business is to give protection
to the faithful and punish the unfaithful. Aaaa… I see.. Interesting.. This was an interesting concept. Since Krishna does praritranaya sadhunaam…
so as Krishnas representative, the Leader must also do this buisness.. Right.. Its so natural. If just we accept the Supreme Personality
Of Godhead as our leader, the rest makes so much sense and seems so natural. I m so happy to understand it in this perspective. Exactly… Thanks to Prabhupada.. Yes, yes.. Thanks to Prabhupada. As Lord Kåñëa states in Bhagavad-gétä,
when He descends on earth, He has two types of business—to give protection to the faithful
and annihilate the demons (pariträëäya sädhünäà vinäçäya ca duñkåtäm [Bg.
4.8]). and As a representative of the Supreme Lord,
the king had the duty to protect the citizens in a perfect way so that they would not be
anxious for food and protection and so that they would be jubilant. Yes. aa.. Prabhuji, You talked about the training to
the citizens. What is the training given to the citizens? So this is nice philosophy, that the state
head, the president or the king or whatever his name is, he is the representative of God. Therefore his duty is to train the citizens
to become God conscious, pious, without any sinful life. If the citizens are trained to become devotees,
they will automatically become peaceful and honest, and if they are guided by a devoted
king advised by devotees, the state will not be in the material world but in the spiritual
world. Surely.. surely Spiritual world. Also they are trained into Varnashrama. Varnashrama..Everyone? Yes. So it doesn’t matter, everyone is born çüdra,
but he should be trained up. Just like in our practical life we see that
everyone is not born a scientist or engineer or lawyer. Everyone is born innocent, child, then he’s
trained up by the guardians. Similarly, there should be a training how
to become brähmaëa, how to become kñatriya, how to become vaiçya. And the government should see that everyone,
as he is trained up, he is working according to his quality and occupational duty. Varnäçrama-dharma… That is stated in the Bhagavad-gétä. Cätur-varëyaà mayä såñöaà guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù
[Bg. 4.13]. Qualified. Therefore we want qualified brähmaëas, qualified
kñatriyas. At the present moment, without being qualified,
they are passing on as brähmaëa, kñatriya. That is not varëäçrama. Without being qualified they are all çüdras,
all caëòälas. But when they are properly trained and qualified,
then it is varëäçrama, real varëäçrama. And ofcourse they must be trained to work
for the common cause. I.e. Vishnu. Yes. Naturally. Of course. The common cause. “Because they are not trained up, they have
no common cause. The hand and leg work differently, but the
common cause is to maintain the body. So if you find out the common cause for both
the capitalists and the workers, then there will be no fighting. But if you do not know the common cause, then
there will always be fighting.” “Yes. Just like in our Kåñëa consciousness society. You come to consult Prabhupadaabout every
activity because hecan give you the common cause. Otherwise there will be fighting. The government should be very expert to know
the aim of life, the common cause, and they should train the people to work for the common
cause Then they will be happy and peaceful. Yes. So brahma-druha. The society must be brahminic. Vedic culture means to create every person
a brähmaëa, not to keep him çüdra. Of course, in the modern educational system,
the purpose is to elevate the general public. But they do not know how to elevate. Therefore there is so much trouble. The elevation should be… There must be some purpose, end. What purpose education is being given? It is purposeless education. Education means to lead people gradually to
Kåñëa consciousness. That is education, God consciousness. Yes .. Very true. Now do you have any questions regarding that? Yes.. Ok, go on..
a Prabhuji, I might ask some questions that you have already clarified, but still I wish
to ask you just to confirm them.. Alright. No problem. Ok so.. Here we start.. aa.. What is the actual duty of the government? To understand what God wants and to see that
society works toward that aim. Then people will be happy. But if the people work in the wrong direction,
how can they be happy? The government’s duty is to see that they
are working in the right direction. The right direction is to know God and to
act according to His instructions. How should be the relationship between citizens
and government? Good government can exist when the relationship
between the citizens and the government is like that exemplified by Lord Rämacandra
and His citizens. Lord Rämacandra ruled His kingdom exactly
like a father takes care of his children, and the citizens, being obliged to the good
government of Lord Rämacandra, accepted the Lord as their father. Thus the relationship between the citizens
and the government should be exactly like that between father and son. Good citizenship How can the citizens be obedient? We see that in spite of enforcing so many
ordinances and laws people are not obedient sometimes. You see,
When the sons in a family are well trained, they are obedient to the father and mother,
and when the father is well qualified, he takes good care of the children. People must be trained according to the different
varëäçrama occupational duties. As confirmed in Bhagavad-gétä (4.13), cätur-varëyaà
mayä såñöaà guëa-karma-vibhägaçaù: the four varëas must be established according
to varying qualities and work. Simply enforcing laws and ordinances cannot
make the citizens obedient and lawful. That is impossible. What are the criterion for a perfect system? Perfect system means from which we do not
suffer. That’s all. We are always hankering after happiness. So we do not like suffering. So if there is no suffering, that is perfect
system. What are the qualifications of a perfect leader? No mistake, no illusion, no cheating, no imperfection. Anyone who commits mistake, he’s illusioned,
he’s a cheater and imperfect—he cannot lead. So bring any leader of these rascal groups
and test with these four principles; he is misleader. Who is such a perfect Leader? The leader, perfect leader, is God. Nityo nityänäà cetanaç cetanänäà (Kaöha
Upaniñad 2.2.13). You take His leadership. Then He’ll properly guide you. Can we take any other leader? We have taken Kåñëa as leader. We are not taking any other leader. Yes. Yes. I get that point. Yes. Ya.. But why do people not follow if Krishna is
perfect leader? That is their misfortune. Just like father says, “Child do this,” but
he does not do. Father says, “Don’t touch fire;” he touches,
so he’ll suffer. Ya he ll suffer. So good government means first of all to accept
the Supreme Being as the real ruler of the government? Right? You cannot directly accept the Supreme Being. You must accept the servants of the Supreme
Being—the brähmaëas or Vaiñëavas [devotees of the Lord]—as your guides. um hm.. But if man is small and imperfect, how can
he execute God’s perfect orders for a perfect government? Srila Prabhuapda said,
Although you may be imperfect, because you are carrying out my order, you’re becoming
perfect. You have accepted me as your leader, and I
accept God as my leader. In this way society can be governed perfectly. So we just follow Srila Prabhuapda as it is
and our governing will also be perfect. Aaa. I see. . aa Prabhuji, Why ROG must be obedient to
Krishna? Because king is representative of God. That is Vedic conception. King or the president, the chief of the executive… He should be exactly the representative of
God. As guru is representative of God, similarly,
the king or president is also representative of God. In every planet… Because every planet… Éçäväsyam idaà sarvam [Éço mantra 1]. Everything belongs to God. Bhoktäraà yajïa-tapasäà sarva-loka-maheçvaram:
[Bg. 5.29] “I am the supreme owner of every planet.” So every planet is the property of Kåñëa. Therefore to govern that planet, there must
be a king who is actually representative of Kåñëa. That fact is that everything belongs to God
(éçäväsyam idaà sarvam [Éço mantra 1]). Therefore the representative of God must be
very obedient to God, and then his position will be legitimate. Whats the significance of the Leader being
Rajarshi? Hmm.. 1. The spiritual science is not understandable
by ordinary men. Just like Kåñëa says in the fourth chapter,
imaà räjarñayo viduù: “This science was understood by the great rajarsis.” So spiritual science is meant for great personalities,
brähmaëas, kñatriyas, not for the vaiçyas and the çüdras. One has to get to the quality of brähmaëa
and kñatriya. So Kåñëa says therefore, imaà räjarñayo
viduù. Unless one is åñi, great åñi, great saintly
persons, one cannot understand the spiritual science. 2. Without being saintly person, how he can become
representative of God? A king is supposed to be representative of
God. So unless he has got godly character, saintly
character, great devotee, how he can become the head of a state? You mean Bhagavad-Gita is not understood by
everyone? Unless one is åñi, great åñi, great saintly
persons, one cannot understand the spiritual science. Does that mean that Bhagavad Gita is not taught
to ordinary people? Oh yes. It is taught in the education system for people
to understand Bhagavad Gita also. The king. The saintly king understood it. Not ordinary man. Therefore a king, monarch is supposed to be
saintly. He must understand the philosophy of Bhagavad-gétä
and he should introduce educational system so that people may understand Bhagavad-gétä,
or the science of God. That is the first duty of the state, of the
king. You said the king is called the Nara-deva. Like God! He is worshipped as God. Why is the King worshiped as GOD? Because a king is supposed to be representative
of God, nara-deva. King is addressed as nara-deva. The king must be representative of God. Therefore we offer so much honor to the King. Exactly like God. Why? Because King is supposed to be representative
of God. What if they do not execute the will of the
Lord and do not represent God? As I said,That’s an avani-dhruk. These rascals who are going against the law
of God, they’re rebellious. they’re rebellious. The king’s duty is to see as representative
of Kåñëa, as representative of God. Otherwise he, what right he has got to take
so much honor from the citizens? He has no right. So these two things are going on. Those who are trying to capture the governmental
power for his personal ambition, they will be killed. They will be killed. This way or that way, they will be killed. And persons who are taking responsibility
for maintenance of the government as representative of Kåñëa, they will be blessed by Kåñëa,
and Kåñëa will be pleased. The king’s duty is to act as the representative
of Kåñëa, or God. Otherwise what right does he have to take
so much honor from the citizens? He has no rights. What are the qualifications of a Rajarshi? Formerly kings were räjarñis, which meant
that although they were serving as kings, they were as good as saintly persons because
they would not transgress any the injunctions of the Vedic scriptures and would rule under
the direction of great saintly persons and brähmaëas. The king of the country or the emperor of
the empire must be so trained that by nature he renounces sense gratification. It is not be not that because one becomes
king he should unnecessarily spend money for sense gratification. As soon as kings became degraded, spending
money for sense gratification, they were lost. Is It necessary that the ruler must be a devotee
as good as a rajarshi? He should be räjarñi, a saintly person. Without being saintly person, how he can become
representative of God? A king is supposed to be representative of
God. So unless he has got godly character, saintly
character, great devotee, how can become the head of a state? Great devotee? Means, which caliber devotee should the ruler
be? Mahä-bhägavata. Mahä-bhägavata! Yes. Mahä-bhägavata. That is Kåñëa consciousness movement, that
“People, you become devotees, bhägavata, and you select one mahä-bhägavata to be
your ruler. Then you will be happy. Not only bhägavata. Not of your caliber, but still further.” There are bhägavata… There are three kinds of devotees. Three kinds of devotees means neophyte, middle
class and mahä-bhägavata. So Mahä-bhägavata. It does not mean a great devotee is simply
engaged in chanting Hare Kåñëa mantra. No. A great devotee may be the chief of the executive
function of the state. He can become. That is required. Not that only mahä-bhägavata required in
church or temples. No. Mahä-bhägavata required also as the head
of the chief executive function. That is also required. Otherwise how people will be happy? Every field, there must be mahä-bhägavata. What is a Mahä-bhägavata? Mahä-bhägavata means one who can see God
in everything and everything in God. That is mahä-bhägavata. That is explained in Bhagavad-gétä, sarva-bhüteñu
yaù paçyed ätmä: “He does not see anything except God, everything in God and God in everything.” That is the qualification of mahä-bhägavata. um hm.. I see.. aa . . Is one head necessary? Is it needed? What about the democratic style? Do we need a head even in democracy? Nityo nityänäà cetanaç cetanänäm (Kaöha
Upaniñad 2.2.13). Just like in the modern days, government,
they have abolished monarchism, but still, why they elect a president? Why? Must be leadership. Must be. That is the point. If you have abolished monarchy, then why do
you why you electing another rascal to become a monarch? What is the answer? Why do you need it? Because they need law and order. Yes, there must be. In our organization… Just like in each temple we elect a president. Then we get GBC. Then above all, Prabhupada is. So that is needed. It is not conventional. It is needed. The advantage of democracy is there. By votes you can elect somebody as president. One has to follow the principle, monarch,
one man on the head of the government. It may be a monarch or it may be a president—it
doesn’t matter—but there must be one chief executive officer of the state on the head. That you cannot avoid. That is essential. Is it the same as in democracy. In democratic system also, the head of govt
is the servant of the people. Right? No Prabhu. It is exactly not what you say. The king is rather the servant of God not
people. Servant, but not of people but of GOD. Servant of GOD. The king, as the administrator of the state,
executed his duties as a servant of the brähmaëas. It was not that the kings or brähmaëas were
dictators, nor did they consider themselves proprietors of the state. The kings were also well versed in Vedic literatures
and thus were familiar with the injunction of Çré Éçopaniñad: éçäväsyam idaà
sarvam [Éço mantra 1]—everything that exists belongs to the Supreme Personality
of Godhead. In Bhagavad-gétä Lord Kåñëa also confirms
that He is the proprietor of all planetary systems (sarva-loka-maheçvaram [Bg. 5.29]). Since this is the case, no one can claim to
be proprietor of the state. The king, president or head of the state should
always remember that he is not the proprietor but the servant. In the present age, the king or president
forgets that he is the servant of God and thinks of himself as servant of people. The present democratic government is proclaimed
to be a people’s government, a government by the people and for the people, but this
type of government is not sanctioned by the Vedas. The Vedas maintain that a kingdom should be
governed for the purpose of satisfying the Supreme Personality of Godhead and should
therefore be ruled by a representative of the God. Prabhuji, If the government is the representative
of God and if he rules for the satisfaction of God, then how will people be satisfied? (laughing)
Why areyou laughing? Because you seems like forgetting the basics
prabhu.. What basics? Because Viñëu is the root of everything,
if Viñëu is pleased, everyone is pleased; in particular, one’s children and family members
will become happy in all respects. Never forget the basic principles of happiness. Never forget it. Haribol!!, sorry I got caught up with the
government stuff. Its ok. The modern theories of management and governance
propagat the idea of materialism, selfishness and Godlessness in practical life. Therefore if one is not conscious, a Devotee
may find it difficult to connect even the basic principles of Krishna Consciousness
to the real life. Never mind. Just don’t get caught up with the modern
lifestyle. Take lessons from Prabhupada and you will
see things in proper perspective. Everything of practical life is connected
to Krishna, Prabhu. Everything is connected to Krishna. Yes.. Yes Prabhu, yes.. Ok no problem go ahead…
yes. aa. Why is the King the absolute governing body? So everything depends on the king’s accepting
the absolute instruction of God. The ministers were helping, but the king was
educated by God’s direct instruction, as Kåñëa said, imaà vivasvate yogaà proktavän. So king, in Vedic civilization, the king was
absolutely following the regulation given by God, and it was confirmed by saintly persons,
andsages. Then it was executed; not whimsically. There was advisory board of the monarchy always. They were not politician, diplomat, but they
were all saintly person, knew very well the Vedas, and they used to guide the monarch. Therefore the monarch is absolute governing
body. The king is supposed to be representative
of God in the state. So “above the law” means because king is perfect
by abiding the laws of Kåñëa, he cannot be subjected to any subordinate laws. But his perfection is there only when he follows
Kåñëa’s order. Yes.. but Prabhuji, aa What if the state does
not respect the rules of Standard Scriptures like Manu-samhita? Hmm.. If the king or dictator individually, or the
members of the government collectively, cannot maintain the state or kingdom according to
the rules of Manu-saàhitä, certainly their government will not endure. I heard that the King is above the law. So u mean the King is not above the law? No one is above the GODs laws. No. The king is also under the law. King, as we understand from Bhagavad-gétä,
Kåñëa instructed the law to Sun-god, and he followed the laws. Therefore he is, to the common man, he is
the supreme. The king is supposed to be representative
of God in the state. So “above the law” means because king is perfect
by abiding theby abiding the laws of Kåñëa, he cannot be subjected to any subordinate
laws. But his perfection is there only when he follows
Kåñëa’s order. umhm.. I see. Prabhuji, while most places Prabhupada says
that the President or the King is not an autocrat, still at times I see.. I have seen some places where Prabhupada says
that the King is an autocrat. So is he autocrat or not? Yes and No. Its contextual. When it comes to making laws or following
the orders of Saintly People and Brahmanas, he is not autocrat. But when it comes to establishing Gods laws
for people in general, he is an autocrat. Lets see how the king is an autocrat. See Joe Pr, the aim of the ruling is simply
to establish the laws of GOD over citizens so that everyone makes progress back to Godhead. If the King or the head of government does
not have the power to exercise, then how will he establish Gods laws over citizens? Just like the modern state. The modern elected executive head of a state
is just like a puppet because he has no kingly power. Even if he is enlightened like Mahäräja
Yudhiñöhira, he cannot do anything out of his own good will due to his constitutional
position. That’s why the Head of the govt needs to
have complete power to rule over the citizens and establish laws of GOD. So in that sense he is an autocrat because
he is establishing the will of GOD for citizens. That’s why even in ISKCON, Srila Prabhupada
has said, that the GBCs are the final governing authority. Now, this authority is needed to establish
Gods laws. But again this authority is valid only if
they establish Gods laws coming via disciplic succession. Now lets see why king is not an autocrat. Again, the aim of the ruling is to establish
the laws of GOD over citizens so that everyone obey God and make progress back to Godhead. But if the King starts to establish anything
other than laws of God, then it’s a failure of the whole civilization! That’s why, the king is not above Gods laws. So in that sense he is not an autocrat in
making laws. He is bound to establish only Gods laws. Also the process is to accept Gods laws via
exhaled Brahmanas and saintly persons. Therefore the brahminical culture is above
the kñatriya culture. Therefore this division must be there; brähmaëa,
kñatriya, vaiçya, çüdra. The administrators, the kings, they are kñatriyas,
but above them the brähmaëas are there. The saintly persons are involved in many ways
and accordingly King subordinates to their instructions. Indeed the head acts as the Servant of the
Saintly People and exhalted brahmanas. They are not autocrat. Imaà räjarñayo viduù. They understood the science of Bhagavad-gétä
from saintly person, exalted brähmaëas. They ruled. All the kñatriyas, kings, would be always
accompanied by hoards of brähmaëas. As soon as they required any instruction,
immediately consult the brähmaëas, and they gave good advice: “Do like this.” This is the business of the brähmaëa. And the kings, they would not do anything
without consulting. Don’t think that because there was monarchy,
they were all autocrat. No. If the brähmaëas would not agree, then they
won’t do. The brähmaëa’s community, all saintly persons
and learned scholars, brähmaëas… There was a committee, and the king would
take their advice how to manipulate the political affairs or administration, and they would
consult standard books. So with respect to GODs laws and saintly people,
King was not autocrat because via them he received GODs order. And with respect to people, King is an autocrat
because he wants to establish GODs order amongst them. It’s all about obeying GODs order Joe Pr,
all about obeying GODs order. Yes I understand. Very clear. Aa Prabhuji, In some places Prabhuapda says
that the Brahmins advices the King and at other places it seems like they would instruct
and order the King. So do the saintly people and Brahmins advice
or order the King? Is it a compulsion or just an advice? Hmm.. If someone says to u “Please do not give vote
to the rogues.” So will it be an advice or an order? Oh certainly its just an advice. Ok so if I tell you that this is actually
a statement by Prabhupada, then what will you say? Is it an order or an advice? Oh in that case its an order for me! But Prabhupada is simply requesting and even
you just said that it was a request. Why do you now say that its an order? Because Srila Prabhupada has higher knowledge
than me. He will always speak from Scriptures and will
always do good to me. His desire is as good as Gods desire. For me, his desire is an order and request
is a command! Exactly. Similarly, although the Brahmins and Saintly
people only advised, still the kings would never transgress their instructions. Because they were more wise in understanding
the principles of scriptures. Moreover they not only advised but also ordered
and instructed. Just like Prabhupada not only advised but
also instructed and ordered too! But even his advice is taken as an order. Yes. I understand. The great kings were very responsible in taking
the instructions given by great saintly personalities. The kings used to accept the instructions
given by great sages like Paräçara, Vyäsadeva, Närada, Devala and Asita. In other words, they would first accept the
authority of saintly persons and then execute their monarchical power. Unfortunately, in the present age of Kali,
the head of government does not follow the instructions given by the saintly persons;
therefore neither the citizens nor the men of government are very happy. Their duration of life is shortened, and almost
everyone is wretched and bereft of bodily strength and spiritual power. If citizens want to be happy and prosperous
in this democratic age, they should not elect rascals and fools who have no respect for
saintly persons. All the kñatriyas, kings, would be always
accompanied by hoards of brähmaëas. As soon as they required any instruction,
immediately consult the brähmaëas, and they gave good advice: “Do like this.” This is the business of the brähmaëa. And the kings, they would not do anything
without consulting. Don’t think that because there was monarchy,
they were all autocrat. No. If the brähmaëas would not agree, then they
won’t do. Infact they would act as their servants. The king, as the administrator of the state,
executed his duties as a servant of the brähmaëas. Prabhuji, what if the King does not listen
to the Brahmins or Saintly People? If they do not listen to the Brahmins, then
are unworthy and must be dethroned. You mean, if the head of the intuitions does
not take instructions of Brahmins, then they are unworthy of ruling? And that they should be dethroned? Yes. The king, as the administrator of the state,
executed his duties as a servant of the brähmaëas. If a king is acting independently and not
inline with the Scriptures, the Brahmins would dethrone the King and post another worthy
person. As the future heir of the throne, he was trained,
and at the same time, he was guided by a council of learned sages and brähmaëas. They were looking over the activities of the
king. As soon as there was some mistake they will
see. And there are instances; whenever there was
a bad king they were dethroned. First-class man, dvija-varya-çikñayä, they
used to teach. They used to advise. And if the king was worthless, sometimes they
would kill the king. And next son, his son would take possession. The King is supposed to be Rajarshi. What kind of Rajarshi is he who does not care
for Vedic instructions and does not take direction of Saintly Persons and Brahmins? In fact, the Rajarshis are called “Rajarshis”
because they would not transgress any of the injunctions of the Vedic scriptures and would
rule under the direction of great saintly persons and brähmaëas. According to this arrangement, modern presidents,
governors and chief executive officers are all unworthy of their posts because they are
not conversant with Vedic administrative knowledge and they do not take direction from great
saintly persons and brähmaëas. Because of his disobedience to the orders
of the Vedas and the brähmaëas, King Vena, Påthu Mahäräja’s father, was killed by
the brähmaëas. Påthu Mahäräja therefore knew very well
that it behooved him to rule the planet as the servant of saintly persons and brähmaëas. Does that mean that actually the Brahmins
are ruling? True. So in those days, as in the first verse we
learn, dvija-varya-çikñayä. Actually, the brähmaëas, they were controlling
the state, but not directly, not sitting on the throne, but giving the kings good advice
according to çästra, that “You rule over like this. This is the process.” And the kings would abide by
So, if the King was a saintly person himself, he would naturally obey the Saintly people
and Brahmins. And if the King does not have any respect
for the Brahmins and acts independently, then he would be dethroned. So in effect, it was actually an order. Aaha.. so so in effect Brahmanas advice is
actually an order. Yes. Why is a Brahmin selected for guiding? Why the brähmaëas are selected to guide? Because they have got full vijïäna, jïänaà
vijïänam ästikyam, therefore. Now Joe Prabhu, here, I want to bring your
attention to one very important fact. You see in ISKCON, during Srila Prabhupada’s
times, Prabhupada advised the GBC, and out of great respect the GBCs would take it as
his order. Prabhupada also had the dethroning power for
GBC. And of course Prabhupada was a dvija-varya-çikñayä,
he had all knowledge of the scriptures and Bhagavad Gita obtained in a bonafide Disciplic
Succession. And Srila Prabhupada would observe the workings
of the GBC to see if they are acting according to his instructions. Thus Prabhupada acted as a natural Brahmin
of ISKCON. So in Prabhupada’s times, ISKCON indeed had
a close-to-Ideal governing, a Brahma-druha situation! Oh yes! How appropriate it was. I never realized that. That is so exiting to understand. Yes. But Prabhuji, a.. after Srila Prabhupada’s
disappearance from the world, there seems to be no Brahmin who guides and instructs
the GBC. There isn’t any Brahmin having any official
authorization to observe if the GBC are acting according to the instructions given by Srila
Prabhupada nor do any Brahmin have the official power to dethrone any GBC if they are not
acting according to the injunctions of the Scriptures. What happens now? Unfortunately it is true. Even Prabhupada said, that Varnashrama is
not established in ISKCON. Ideally the GBC must appoint a Brahmin committee
who gives advice to the GBC according to the reveled scriptures. Now, there is a Brahmana committee in ISKCON. But not this kind of Brahmana committee. A Brahmin committee who does not act as the
servant of the GBC but an authority above the GBC watching over the activities of the
GBC and give advice authorized by Guru, Sadhu and Shastra. But of course to establish such a committee
is entirely GBCs call. But you should also understand that without
such an arrangement, VA cant be established absolutely at all anywhere in ISKCON. The head must change first then the body will
follow. It does not work other ways. Now, the GBCs may even want to do that. But there is another problem. I know, Brahmanas! Who do we consider a qualified Brahmana? Right? True, because in Kaliyuga everyone is a Shudra. Finding even one pure Brahmin is not easy
in Kaliyuga. And without becoming a qualified Brahmana,
nobody can understand spiritual science or Gods Laws, what to speak of establishing it. Then what’s the solution? Ok, for now all that I shall tell you is that
Srila Prabhupada has given the solution. But we need to first understand the processes
of coming to Satva Guna or becoming a Brahmana. And we shall understand that when we talk
about the Social system of Varnashrama. But currently we are talking of the Political
system of Varnashrama. Alright, then please tell me more about the
Brahmins and the role of Saintly people. Yes, but is it alright, if first we first
talk of the Laws, GODs laws and then we come to Brahmanas and their roles? Oh yes Prabhuji, please. Thank you. Thank you for being considerate. So, now the Laws. Hare Krishna Hare Krishna Krishna Krishna
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