Ron Paul: Why Government Cannot “Make Us Safe” by Mandating Security

Ron Paul: Why Government Cannot “Make Us Safe” by Mandating Security


Hello, this is Ron Paul with your weekly update
for January 17th. The terrible violence in Arizona last weekend
prompted much national discussion on many issues. All Americans are united in their
sympathies for the victims and their families. All wonder what could motivate such a horrible
act. However, some have attempted to use this tragedy to discredit philosophical adversaries
or score political points. This sort of opportunism is simply despicable. We are fortunate to
live in a society where violence is universally denounced. Not one public official or commentator
has attempted to justify this reprehensible act, yet the newspapers, Internet and airwaves
are full of people trying to claim it was somehow motivated by someone else’s political
rhetoric. Most disturbing are the calls to use government
power to censor certain forms of speech and even outlaw certain types of criticism of
public officials. This was the completely apolitical act of a violent and disturbed
man. How sad that the attempted murder of the Congresswoman who had just read the First
Amendment on the House Floor would be used in efforts to chill free speech. Perhaps some
would feel safer if the Alien and Sedition Acts were reinstated. Also troubling are the
renewed calls for stricter gun control laws and for government to do something to somehow
prevent similar incidents in the future. This always seems to be the knee-jerk reaction
to any crime committed with a gun. Nonsensical proposals to outlaw guns around federal officials
and install bulletproof barriers in the Congressional galleries only reinforce the growing perception
that politicians view their own lives as far more important than the lives of ordinary
citizens. Politicians and a complicit media have conditioned
many citizens to view government as our protector, leading to more demands for government action
whenever tragedies occur. But this impulse is at odds with the best American traditions
of self-reliance and individualism, and it also leads to bad laws and the loss of liberty.
Remember, liberty only has meaning if we still believe in it when terrible things happen
and more government security is demanded. Government cannot make us safe by mandating
security any more than than it can make us prosperous by decreeing an end to poverty. We need to reaffirm the core American value
of individual responsibility. Consider the young man who had the courage to tackle the
shooter and prevent further carnage because he himself had a concealed weapon. Without
that gun he could have been yet another sitting duck. When peaceful citizens are armed they
at least have a chance against armed criminals. Advocates of gun control would urge us to
leave our safety to law enforcement, but eyewitness reports indicate it took police as much as
20 minutes to arrive on the scene that day. Since police cannot be everywhere all the
time, a large part of our personal safety depends on our ability to defend ourselves.
Our constitutional right to bear arms does not create a society without risk or violent
crime, and neither would the strictest gun control laws. Guns and violence are a fact
of life. The question is whether it is preferable to be defenseless while waiting for the police,
or to have the option to arm yourself. We certainly know criminals prefer the former. Thanks for calling this update. A new update
is placed on this number 888-322-1414 every Monday. The written text can be found on my
website www.house.gov/paul under the heading “Texas Straight Talk”. Thanks for calling.

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100 thoughts on “Ron Paul: Why Government Cannot “Make Us Safe” by Mandating Security

  1. This may be implied with any encouragement for citizens to arm and protect themselves, but it's not just owning a weapon that makes you safer; you should also be trained in how to use it. Every law abiding citizen who owns firearms or is thinking of purchasing them should definitely take a course or two in gun safety and handling. And visit the firing range sometimes! It's a lot of fun.

  2. Thanks for caring, Dr. Paul. We need you to run for POTUS 2112. Bring back Constitutional, fiscal and moral sanity before the World gives up on the dollar store.

  3. Thank you Ron! What you are doing matters greatly. I'm with you all the way and I mean every word I'm saying from my heart.

  4. This is the reason I love this man – he doesn't pop off and act like he's somehow better than any of us.

    I'm so over this pompous ass Congress, with the exception of the Paul's and maybe a couple others.

    America – we need to take Orwelll's words to heart. It's time for Americans to shake off this government like a horse shaking off flies.

  5. @duhg599 This is important. There are a lot of people who, after buying a small hand gun, might think they could do tricks, shoot it sideways, or something crazy, things they do in movies that aren't really possible. lol. Besides, shooting ranges and/or lessons are actually fun.

  6. @uturniaphobic GPS detection sensors in all of the peasants cars. The sensor would alert we the peasants whenever we were within 50 ft of a Congressman's being, or car, and if we didn't turn the opposite direction away from the congressman by 25 ft from them, our cars would shut down. This is of course a measure to protect the royal congress from the dangerous peasants, not an effort to help protect the citizens from anything.

  7. @411American There would be a shitload less police brutality as well. As it stands, we're known around the world not as a free country, but as the country that has the worst police -> citizen brutality.

  8. Again the Police have no REPEAT no duty to protect the individual. The supreme court has ruled in the favor of this statement. Why do you think we have a 2nd amedment??? When Police act it is always in the side of the STATE OF never the individual. The police are Simply thugs with Letters of Mark to rob you at gun point. When will the People realize Police are here to protect the bankers and criminals who have us over a barrel.

  9. HOW THE GOVERNMENT CAN DESTROY YOU .
    Simply and easily with the IRS
    Simply and easily with FAMILY LAW
    Simple and easily with the CPS
    Simply and easily with city CODE
    Simply and easily with TAX'S
    Simply and Easily with MARTIAL LAW
    Simply and easily with WAR
    Our Government is out of control the people are awaking to slow as the main stream media propaganda machine keep them blind to the reality of the out of controlled welfare States the UNION has them in. Wake up America were in trouble.

  10. @Koba82 A Republican has called for a law banning guns within 1,000 feet of a Congressman (WHoo, special rights for special class of people?) a Democratic Congressman suggested bannig the type of gun used (A Glock 9mm, used by much of law enforcement). And yes, there are calls to ban the use of the target or cross-hairs image–even though we have a major retailer here with a bull's eye target as its logo. As usual, the response to madness is more madness

  11. @mit26chell yes it seems they've done a bang up job on their "continuity of government" plans and quickly too. Got their special health care in line right away…So our tax dollars are used to ensure the slavery continues through any event. I feel secure in knowing that…not!

  12. Why would any person listen to a group of people who have at the very least sat silently while American citizens have been robbed of their wealth..and their hope ..and for the future dreams of the next generation..To have these same individuals say anything about another persons doing right or wrong is laughable if it were not so, pathetic

  13. @g4macdad Actually, his policies did starve people. He forced farmers to destroy their crops and livestock while people starved. His policies prolonged the depression. He also locked innocent Japanese people up in internment camps among other tyrannical policies. FDR sucked.

  14. Thank GOD for the right to bear Arms –
    Thank the GOV for brutality.
    Thank the real American to do what one has to do when needed ton be done.

    FREEDOM from the GOVERN-MENTAL' fearful sheeple control freaks

  15. Dude come on dont go down that road with that HOPE shit .He runs it good but if doesnt that good to.It is the message that he sents NOT HOPE! WE WILL HAVE TO WORK FOR IT .Dr Paul would be frist to say dont rely on the government for your HOPE it will become your disappear.

  16. on This one, Dr. Paul is terrible wrong. On real world people dont act like in Pauls utopia –> give everybody guns = lots of corpses

  17. @Jarmo187 That's fine with me. I'll carry a gun while you wait for the police. You'll probably be dead while I won't be. Most gun owners are responsible people who won't go around just shooting at random.

  18. @LosSparkles

    Wow, as an american, i would like to thank you for your support even though your all the way in Sweden!

    Besides, america is a testbed for what globalists can get away with, so who is president here very much effects things on a global scale

  19. @LosSparkles i really think thats what most European people think but seem often misguided in how governments affect each other from different nations, so instead of blaming a corporate or government system, they blame "lazy Americans" instead. its kinda funny how even an obviously superior education system is in place in most of europe, but governments still can control ideals and influence. American government is very much a bully, if others dont do what we say…well…look at iraq.

  20. @LosSparkles true that! i think what happened when he ran last time is media tried to cover him up as much as possible. Now when i visit youtube comments bout ron paul alot of it really is support for him and things like "WHY HAVE I NOT HEARD OF RON PAUL BEFORE"

  21. I don't know if it was media covering it up. I think it was super-loyal party members trying desperately to silence everybody but their own favorite candidate, regardless of the content.

  22. @Jarmo187 Everybody already has thr right to have guns if they want them. Where are you from? Where are your corpses? Living life is not without risk, we lose orders of magnitude more people to automobiles than guns.

  23. Two Republicans, Burton and King proposed a bill that would prohibit possession of a gun within 1,000 feet of a federal official.

    So there's nothing wrong with owning a gun, but if you are near a federal official, you're going to jail.

    I live in Mclean VA. My townhouse is near federal officials. Should I go to jail just because they live near me? I owned my gun before this law.

    Why are they specially protected super-citizens?

    What about me? I don't want to get shot, either!? Help me?

  24. I can understand a limit against guns at political events, but any law that says you are automatically a criminal if you possess a gun near a federal official is just another "drunk in public" law. It's a blanket law that gives police a "catch all" law to arrest people.

    If I have a valid conceal carry permit, and I'm at the grocery store, or if I'm open carrying, and a congressman or senator's aid shows up, could he have me arrested just because?
    And former senator sununu lives a block awy

  25. @GaryVolts No shit. More than 40,000 people die in auto accidents every year. We aren't banning them.

    The numbers for gun deaths is something like 31,000. Still a high number, and maybe they could be avoidable, but compare that to auto deaths and the discussions about guns and autos. People are afraid of guns, but they need cars, so they rationalize and delude themselves in order to demonize one and say "but yeah, except…" about another.

  26. I'm pretty sure that John Sununu lives less than a football field away from my townhouse.

    If Burton and King's bill passes, would I have to get rid of my gun? I would be possessing a firearm within 1,000 feet of a federal official (retired), and I wouldn't be able to keep that weapon for my own family's protection, even though I bought it legally and have a valid concealed carry permit approved by the chief of police of Fairfax County?

    This is getting silly. Replicans writing gun laws.

  27. I would hope that John Sununu has a weapon that he trained his wife to use, for her own protection. Would she be arrested for possessing a weapon within 1,000 yards of a federal official?

    Nobody wants to see a representative killed, but nobody wants to see anyone killed, either.

    Why not write a law to protect eveyone, instead of themselves? Or! maybe why not just enforce the laws we already have? Does the private prison lobby have that much sway? We don't need more laws. You know.

  28. I know this is terrible to say but the main stream Zionist's don't seem to like it when Zionizam shoe is on the other foot

  29. @LosSparkles I would love to see Ron Paul become president, just like you. But let's face it, nobody gets to lead a country unless they agree to certain terms laid out for them by the people who really own the world.

    The whole "vote" thing is just a way to make us believe that the world works a certain way, while the people who control it get to keep enriching themselves.

    I just read a Washingtonian Magazine where the AIG president bought a house in DC for 5 million. Even though he failed.

  30. @g4macdad Don't buy into the "left-right" paradigm. It is the two-party system that is to blame. "Divide and Conquer".

    The people who have power and money seek to control everyone else. They fear other people entering their sphere of wealth and power, because the more middle class or wealthy there are, the less power they have.

    Ron Paul is a Republican, but he is not one of them. He doesn't agree with that power paradigm.

    We all need our own ideas, not their's!

  31. @g4macdad You don't understand what I've written. Don't you know what "paradigm" means? Left and right are nothing more than a model to create a divide among voters so that the people can never achieve true democracy. Instead, they split their vote between the two parties that control everything and that are owned by the people who control and own our nation.

    I have quite a clear understanding of politics. You just don't understand where I'm coming from. rotfl all you want. Or wake up.

  32. @g4macdad If you believe that a "left-wing visionary" rises up to do anything, you are just as guilty as the tea party nutjobs. The New Deal was not an idealistic idea. It was part of the divide and conquer strategy. Parties are not here to fight for one side or the other, because we shouldn't have sides.

    If you believe in America, you should hate BOTH parties. America was not built on the idea of political power, but on citizen power. Parties help the power of either "side". What about us?

  33. @mustaffa1611 He isn't a nut job. He knows what that would result in (jail time).

    But he is trying to get people to understand why we don't need either of them.

    We shouldn't need a payroll tax. Our govt can fund itself through corporate taxes and the sale of natural resources (instead of selling the rights to them cheaply to corps)

    Not to mention it wastes way too much on corporate welfare in the form of subsidies and defense spending that is 1000 times greater than China's.

  34. @mustaffa1611 Did you know that we have enough natural resources, like gold, copper, diamonds, oil, shale, coal, ad infinitum, that if our country operated like Saudi Arabia or Alaska, we'd all be getting a check from the government every year, like they do in Alaska?

    We have a payroll tax because it is part of the control mechanism. We could be getting paid if our resources were managed by honest people, but instead they sell rights to the highest bidder and then let them profit enormously.

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  36. Gun control is just retarded. Will the criminals turn in their guns? Will criminals not legally allowed to buy guns stop buying them off the black market? Only law abiding citizens would be adhering to gun control.

  37. @g4macdad Really? You think that citizen power is a left-wing idea? Really? The left believes in a large central government that influences and guides the population.

    This nation was founded on the idea that a monarchy does not fulfill the needs of the people. "We the people" and all that stuff in the declaration of independence.

    Don't confuse the Fox news fear of socialism when they desire free markets and liberty. Saying "the people" isn't socialist, not liberal. It's american.

  38. @ShaggyShagz13 Yeah, the whole idea of gun control is about controlling the people, not curbing violence.

    If they were really serious about curbing violence, they would close down the gun manufacturers and prohibit the importation of guns. But they can't, just like they can't shut down tobacco companies and alcohol prohibition thing didn't work either. Because we have a choice. If you don't like guns, don't buy one. But don't impose your fears on everyone else.

  39. @g4macdad left wing doesn't mean "citizen power", in any way. It means progressive use of government power to influence and direct the behavior of the population.

    Sure, they say they will help "the people" by offering them welfare and labor controls. But that isn't citizen empowerment. Empowerment would be to get rid of the two parties that control our political system for corporatists and people of wealth and means.

    When your vote isn't just a token, that's when you have power.

  40. Ron Paul lives and speaks well much like Jefferson but Jefferson did not have main stream media to contend with – Who will the Federal Reserve SELECT through their bought controlled media? Who will their selected president pimp/manger be ? how will he handle the American prostitutes? Google U.S. Supreme Court Issues Landmark Decision: Constitution is Void What the hell is this about? Wake up America your under SIEGE

  41. @g4macdad First off, I would hope that Ron is at least a little ashamed of his son.

    But just look at both parties right now. They ARE their ideological extremists, now. Maybe not so much the democrats, unless you watch Fox.

    But there is no room for a moderate republican, or a moderate democrate, anymore.

    Since I became eligible to vote in 1988, I've voted republican across the board. The last time I voted that way was in 2002, when I chose people, not parties. Now I hate parties.

  42. @g4macdad oops, I should have said the last time I voted a straight republican ticket was in 2000. In 2002, I voted for people.

    I don't know if my first comment makes any sense without that correction.

  43. I tried to get my dad to watch Bill Maher, but he was convinced by Fox News that he's an anti religion pot smoking liberal. So he wouldn't watch it.

    He had David Stockman on, Reagan's Budget Director, and Steve Moore, Republican economist from the Wall Street Journal.

    The extremist right media convinces people they cannot listen to valid discourse because they need their viewers to stay in lock step. Real time was informative, but it might have lost them a few viewers. It wasn't liberal

  44. @g4macdad Oh, by the way, I have been attacking the RL/GB definition of left wing, because it is as wrong as their ideas about right wing.

    They are preying on the old people and racists who got all pissed off when a black man was elected president, and are hoping they can keep their jobs licking Rupert's balls while misdirecting that anger towards Rupert's agenda.

    Media has never been about protecting the people, it has been about driving agendas. Read up on "yellow journalism".

  45. @g4macdad You can read the news passively and react the way they want you to, or you can understand that they ALL have agendas. Smart people don't read the news that way, they understand that all newspapers are trying to influence.

    If you can't muster the intellectual strength to figure out what the propoganda is all about, you shouldn't get politically involved. Those people are the ones who allow dark and nasty things to happen, because they bought into a story. Don't buy the story.

  46. The world really is a lot simpler than the pundits and journalists and politicians want us to believe.

    All humans just want to have families and live in peace. Politics and Religions convince weaker minds that they need to struggle against other people and other ideas.

    But that's just bullshit. Give a man a chance to raise a family without any outside interference, and he could care less about what you believe or any of that bullshit.

    conflict is profit, for some people.

  47. I would love to hear the arguments against the idea that every man would rather be left alone to raise his family without ideologies, religions or party ideas interfering.

    If everyone could rely on an order laid out in a constitution, without the greed and avarice of people who want to have more power or more money or more whatever, then the good people who just want to live thier lives could raise their families without angry people and greedy people screwing it up for them.

  48. @g4macdad lmao, FDR and Pecora were working for the Rockefellers. Read A History of Money and Banking in the United States: The Colonial Era to World War II, by Murray N. Rothbard. See part 3 "From Hoover to Roosevelt: The Federal Reserve and the Financial Elites". FDR was a shill for Wall Street.
    also, watch youtube.com/watch?v=zSvoj76NRLM
    I am not a tea party member or a supporter of the Koch brothers. The reason history repeats is because the elite control both parties.

  49. @g4macdad "Contrary to carefully planted propaganda in the media portraying FDR as the "hero of the little man" who was ready to "chase the moneylenders from the temple," Roosevelt was the scion of a wealthy East Coast family, a distant relative of Teddy Roosevelt, and every bit The Man of Wall Street-especially of Baruch, Rockefeller and their group."- F. William Engdahl -'Gods of Money'

  50. @g4macdad He's more left-wing, actually. Why don't you do some independent investigating of the info. I'm sharing instead of firing off these quick knee-jerk reactions. I'm not a republican or a right-winger. I'm an anarchist/voluntaryist.

  51. @g4macdad He's anti-big oil. Anti-corporation. Anti-wall street. Anti-war. How many right-wingers share those viewpoints?

    Democracy is mob rule. Government is evil. I have no idea what you mean by phishing link. search "Ron Paul American Power Elite" to see the link I tried to share. It looks like youtube is not allowing people to share links anymore. What exactly came up when you tried to use my link?

  52. @g4macdad I don't watch Glenn Beck. "The people" don't run the government. The elite do. Ron Paul is a libertarian. He runs as a republican because he can't even get in the debates or on all ballots unless he runs as a democrat or republican. The republican and democrat parties run the debates and they keep 3rd parties from participating. The candidates that run as democrat and republican are selected by the globalists at their private meetings. (continued in next post)

  53. @g4macdad tell me, if I want to be left a lone, as long as I'm not hurting anyone else, why should the government have the right to force me, under treats of violence or imprisonment, to do what the government wants me to do? Why do you want to vote to take my natural rights away?

  54. @g4macdad Why do I have to make a choice? What's the difference between democracy and government?
    Why should you have the right to vote to give a bunch of bureaucrats to ability take away my rights, property and freedom if I'm not harming anyone?

  55. @g4macdad also, see "DETERRING DEMOCRACY: HOW THE COMMISSION ON PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES
    UNDERMINES DEMOCRACY"
    also see "Ron Paul Hosts Third Party Press Conference" and watch the press conference he did with Ralph Nader, Cynthia McKinney and others. He explains why he runs as a republican in that press conference.

  56. @g4macdad I watched "Casino Jack" with Kevin Spacey, if that's the movie you're talking about.

    It definitely supports my argument about the two party system being worked by the people who have money and connections, while the common voter is taught to think he has some sort of say. Sure.

    It definitely explains how the pay-for-legislation system works.

    As for Ron, I liked him a lot better about 4 years ago. But then again, I liked McCain in 2000. They've both changed, of course.

  57. @g4macdad But you and I are basically talking about the same thing. In those countries, they have autocrats or dictators. They aren't being "left alone" they are under a thumb of corporate or government control.

    In America, we already went through those learning curves and growing pains, and we made the necessary corrections. If they were "too left" at the time, decades of correcting them led to a proper balance. We balanced it out, in most cases. In some cases, greed took over, for sure

  58. @g4macdad Democracy is the majority ruling over the individual. Mob rule. I have no leaders.

    "The principle that the majority have a right to rule the minority, practically resolves all government into a mere contest between two bodies of men, as to which of them shall be masters, and which of them slaves; a contest, that — however bloody — can, in the nature of things, never be finally closed, so long as man refuses to be a slave."-Lysander Spooner

  59. @g4macdad I recommend Chris Hedges, Glenn Greenwald, Naomi Wolf, Jeremy Scahill, John Pilger, Alexander Cockburn, Sheldon Richman, Roderick Long, Kevin Carson

  60. @g4macdad Do you even know the origins of public education in this country? see "The Makers of Modern Schooling" and "Underground History of American Education" by John Taylor Gatto. The robber baron industrialists, JP Morgan, John D.Rockefeller etc. were responsible for creating "public education". Yeah, that's right. The so-called "capitalists" took over the system of education so they could create a class of people who never questioned authority. Looks like it worked on you.

  61. @g4macdad also, libertarianism is left-wing. though I really don't even like using left and right to describe politics. Pro-freedom and anti-freedom are better descriptors. But Ron Paul is a libertarian and libertarianism is historically a left-wing movement. "Libertarianism: Left or Right?" by Sheldon Richman, look it up online and read it. Ron Paul ran as a libertarian in the past. His friend, Larry McDonald was a democrat and Ron Paul asked him long ago if he should run as a dem or rep(cont)

  62. @g4macdad Larry McDonald told him to run in the party he could get elected in and that parties mean nothing. He ran as a libertarian in the past, but due to the fact that the republican and democratic parties took over the presidential debates he cannot even get in the debates as a libertarian. google "LEAGUE REFUSES TO "HELP PERPETRATE A FRAUD" (cont)

  63. @g4macdad "The League of Women Voters is withdrawing its sponsorship of the presidential debate scheduled for mid-October because the demands of the two campaign organizations would perpetrate a fraud on the American voter," -League President Nancy M. Neuman October 3, 1988

  64. @g4macdad Glenn Beck is not libertarian. He's a dumbass. Libertarianism: Left or Right?" by Sheldon Richman. google it.

  65. @g4macdad nah, you were simply wrong. I told you why he runs as a republican and you still haven't addressed that. remember, the press conference he had with Ralph Nader (non-rightist) and Cynthia McKinney(non-rightist). Since you are blatantly making shit up now and accusing me of lying, you should probably just stfu.

  66. @g4macdad You're sort of right. No democracy has EVOLVED into a dictatorship UNTIL a priviliged class learned how to manipulate the system to thier advantage.

    Rome was a democracy, until enough wealth and power accumulated with a small group. Then it drifted into dictatorship. Russia's "revolution" might have resulted in "communism" but Lennon and Stalin had too much power, and they eliminated any opposition.

    Despotism isn't left or right, it's "i got control, and I ain't letting go".

  67. @g4macdad I dated a Russian girl about 15 years ago. She grew up under that "left" government. She got a good education, but her life was miserable. Not painful, but very deprived, grey, monotonous.

    It isn't a left or right thing. All great empires or civilizations had good times prior to being taken over by the elite and powerful. Were they left, or right? By what measure?

    This whole "left/right" thing is 19th and 20th century thinking. We can get beyond that, to civiliziation.

  68. @g4macdad Yeah, I'm not seeing that. Journalists being assassinated in their apartment blocks and poisoned with Strontium 80 in London pubs?

    The only reason Russia appears "passive" is because of 90 years of brutal state control, and a new form of plutocracy led by a resurgent KGB ruled government (putin and medvedev are 80's KGB operatives).

    As for China. You never read about the forcible evictions and riots between landholders and developers? Or about the western provinces?

  69. @g4macdad To quote Ferris Bueller, "Not that I condone fascism, or any -ism for that matter. -Ism's in my opinion are not good. A person should not believe in an -ism, he should believe in himself. I quote John Lennon, "I don't believe in Beatles, I just believe in me." Good point there. After all, he was the walrus. I could be the walrus. I'd still have to bum rides off people"

    Social order doesn't need a belief system, just an agreement among the people that nobody is going to screw anyone.

  70. Ron you are so right and I am there with you our country is under attack from all sides god bless you sir and every man that takes your side the opposition is huge we are against our own people do not think with reason they have been lied to and are all desiccated by sick oligarch people that find value in money not human life! My own police do not understand the constitution and that ron paul is a real crime! I pray your son finds a high place in the gov Amen!

  71. It's time for a revolution what will it take before us the people see that our rights are no longer here and we are being ran by a bad court and evil people!

  72. The same court Christ was silent in because he knew they where evil people and they are still here The very ones that murdered him are running things here!
    amen

  73. He receives zero funding from businesses. All of his contributions come from private individuals. Congrats on knowing nothing about an individual. Btw Obama was funded by Goldman Sachs. Way to fail.

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