The Reawakening of Japanese Nationalism

The Reawakening of Japanese Nationalism

good evening you're watching Asian review and I'm David day this evening we have a very special program with a group of experts we're going to be talking about the reawakening of Japanese nationalism and to help us with this discussion let me introduce our distinguished group that we have in the studio with us here next to me is Jeffrey Horning and Jeffrey is a associate professor with the Asia Pacific Centre for Security Studies and he is also a fellow in the office of the Japan chair chair of the Center for International Strategic Studies in Washington DC did I get that yes partially okay that's a title that's a title and next to Jeffrey is Professor Yui general Sato from rates it's make on rates make on University in Japan Japan has come all the way from Japan did I get that correct no yeah helping will help me with the Pacific in your book oh there's a Pacific in there yeah it's a Pacific Ritz McCauley and Pacific University in Asia Pacific and then next to professor Sato we have David Foust who is also an associate professor with the Asia Pacific Center for Security Studies here in Honolulu and David's area of specialty is in regional security and special emphasis on Japan something okay and so ladies and gentlemen by by way of background for this program all of you know that that Japan has suffered a nearly a two-generation economic malaise of lost generations coupled with you know the collapse of their demographics and also the the horrendous Tohoku Kashima disaster and at the same time that that the country has has suffered these difficulties we have seen we believe the rise of Japanese nationalism and we want to delve into some questions about how this came about what it means and this the ramifications of this during the course of this program and so let me start out first of all what kind of defining our terms a little bit here we see in the media gentlemen frequently the use of the word nationalism and I suppose from the Japanese perspective there's there's nationalism but maybe maybe it's it's to use they the English word somewhat like patriotism I guess what I'm getting at is do you feel that in some quarters outside of Japan when the term nationalism is used that it's it's a negative thing negative inference it's not a positive patriotism support the country type of thing what do you think David yeah I I think when people are referencing Japanese nationalism in the contemporary period they're usually trying to harken back to the pre-war days of a nationalism that was tainted with fascism that was you know heavily repressive of the population and their rights and freedoms that helped to bring about the wars in in the Pacific what I think is going on today mind you which is based on research and reading of others is that you have very strong nationalism in Japan today in the public but it's more of a cultural nationalism a socio-cultural nationalism that is pride in the culture history the geography of Japan in there and and their various cultural attributes this is something that the conservative leadership in Japan today is trying to reconnect with the state because after the end of World War two there was pretty much a kind of disconnect between that cultural pride the Japanese have always had and the attachment to the state which they had in the pre pre-war period this is what the right wing is trying to reconnect now okay okay yet you know you have a different slant on this no I think I mostly agree with David that you know the strong support for the pre-war style militarism is not part of whatever you might think is nationalism today and Japan's even for the cultural aspect of nationalism I think Japan has very successfully maintained a lot of long historical attributes and I think it's only natural that most Japanese continue to be proud of it David what's the difference in your view of you know you know we as Americans we we talk about being an American patriot or patriotic towards the country and this whole concept of Japanese nationalism that we've been talking about it is it the same thing just be clear this is yeah well I mean when I look at the Nationals and the term nationalism that as you referred to it is used a lot in the media but I think it's a it's a very broad brush that gets painted you know sort of picking up to David's point and to answer your question there there's a civic nationalism and there's an ethnic nationalism or call it the one that the ethnic nationalism or prioritizes the ethnicity the the one's race whereas there's a civic nationalism that celebrates more the institutions one state's achievements the culture side and I think that's the side that gets promoted more and in that regards maybe you could say that it's similar to the u.s. patriotism I think that's where the similarity lies because it's more promotion of this is what our country what we're proud of we're celebrating this we're promoting this but when it does come to nationalism and a lot of this negative imagery that gets promoted in the media a lot of it comes down to painting the nationalism of we versus and other and that somehow the Japanese national and that's around today is targeting China we're targeting Korea and so that's where you get a lot of this pre-war negativity that kind of the media feeds okay is it is it true gentlemen that that if we if we step back that there has been a change a rise that there's been a reawakening of of nationalism in Japan David just to kind of continue with this definition of nationalism and try to answer your question I believe professor soya of Katy University talked a while ago about three different kinds of nationalism in Japan one being a kind of a progressive nationalism came out of the early post-war period another being kind of a moderate and then another being kind of an assertive and I think we do have an assertive nationalist agenda that you see with the current leadership that has been with the LDP and what they're trying to do is is to get the the population a little more aboard however the population is more in that moderate nationalism what do you mean by the word assertive well I think how assertive in what are you talking about I think their main project is self-determination self-determination is is the main goal of the assertive nationalist right now and that's basically kind of taking back control over foreign policy over you know their security policy things that they gave up at the end of World War two becoming kind of a patron of the United Way so you so you're saying that that that there is the assertion is going back to the time when they gave up stuff yes and it is is a part of that assert assertiveness is that due to a falling back of the the the u.s. in the region a weakening perception of a weakening declining us in the region is that you know the question your previous question this one is sort of what's given is this new or is this something that's right something new I would say two things first I would differentiate between nationalism in Japan at writ large versus this administration and I would say that it's more in this administration I I don't think that it's more in the population writ large the second point is what's happening now if you look at this administration the roots of this the Prime Minister Ave and and the people around him is it within a faction of the LDP that traces its way back to the Fukuda and then more and then earlier than that which is the 1970s prime minister I'm sorry for CUDA and this is very much a close to the us but more of trying to regain some of the sovereignty as David was referring to trying to rewrite and gain more of its own independence and so you have this has been around for a long time but the difference right now is that the liberal factions that used to hold this faction in check within the LDP has weakened died away and so you have within the LDP now no break in factional II on this private this group of politicians okay jump on short answer though they cannot short answer being I I think that the current administration is is kind of the far end of the spectrum but I don't I wouldn't want to separate what they're doing from the Liberal Democratic Party's long term post-war project to kind of redeem the the earlier era the LDP has been working at doing that throughout the post-war period and and building up national pride and kind of recovering the pride that they had in Japan and this has been going on throughout the post-war period and in some respects the United States has helped and doing that because we supported the LDP and the early post-war period but you know you can go back Oh Poochie in 1999 you know reinstating Kimmi Gallo as the national ad and in the flag they there's been a long-term post-war project that that obvious part of and so I would hesitate to scan you know completely separate him from means your job is disgusting yeah I think this is important that you know a lot of Western media have already painted our Bay as ultra nationalist and equated that with Japan as a whole and I think I said that in Washington DC that that Oh buddy generalized feel and probably inaccurate as well and I'm having a hard time figuring out who promised are they actually is is he a far-right person was he kind of a moderate conservative person acting as a far-right person I cannot make the distinction because I'm not aware and I cannot get into his head and the talk about the difference is very important because in Oz Dave pointed out you know if Japan is heading toward a more autonomous you know foreign policy and defense posture you know away from the us-japan alliance that's something the u.s. might be concerned about although the US has encouraged Japan to you know build up its military and you know take more active international security roles the US wants Japan to act side-by-side or in an integrated fashion with the u.s. services so is that not what Japan is heading for then the u.s. might be concerned and my thinking is that because Japan has been put on the far left in immediate post-war period by the you know New Deal liberals in the occupation group what I was trying to do is he stand on the far right and bring horribly upon to on the center okay with that thought we will pick up after the break and we'll talk about what's where are we seeing this rise or reawakening of Japan's new nationalism where are we seeing it manifested and we'll see you on the other side of the break you're watching Asia Review and I'm David de castle and Cooke Hawaii investing in Hawaii creating communities and providing for the needs of our state collateral analytics empowering the real estate industry to make better informal property investment decisions the Foreign Trade Zone bringing the benefits of the foreign trade zone programs to Hawaii businesses and entrepreneurs caminho a senior executive of BAE Systems of global defense security and aerospace 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Japan and David Foust David and Jeffrey are both from the asia-pacific Center for Security Studies and Yoichiro is from RIT's Minicon Asia Pacific University in that pool Japan it got it right and finally and no I'm not going to tell you about Jeff recordings title by taxi it's too long but right before the break if you were with us we were talking about the why or how this this concept of nationalism or Japanese pride patriotism has come about and so what we want to do in this segment of the program is kind of look at what are what are some of the ways that that we would see this from the outside how is this manifested you're a general you have any thoughts on that yeah well most recently premise the obvious visit to the Yasukuni Shrine okay okay ii was the producer he put up photograph number one okay thank you yeah so this is a picture this is this is what i and oftentimes this is treated as if you know the evidence of reasserting japan and the past nationalism but the truth is that table is not the first prime minister to visit the Yasukuni Shrine and you know many prime minister you know surah 3 matzoh entire post-world War two period you know visited Yasukuni Shrine and you know when Prime Minister Nakatani visited in 1985 it became a kind of big issue and since then the Prime Minister's visit was why is this a big issue for non-japanese outside the country more than only four people in two three and four countries well for the Chinese and Koreans most frequently cited argument is that the class-a war criminals are enshrined at the earth condition but also some pointed out that Cosby and grassy war criminals also there which is a truth but you know wait became a problem and my ass is that it became problem because of the changing international relations context in Northeast Asia what is huge general if I was an American Indian and and Jeffrey here was a President of the United States and Jeffrey decided that he was going to go to Arlington Cemetery and it was my position that Arlington Cemetery has beneath its hologram buried some from my perspective as an American Indian some war criminals American war criminals is that kind of a parallel it's here hmm I think that the one of the difference is that you know Arlington is not specifically affiliated with any particular religion where the Yasukuni is clearly a Shinto shrine and this you know to see a Sakuni to criticism that you know Prime Minister is violating Constitution constitutional separation of church and state which is you know one line of opposition against the Prime Minister's visit to the Yasukuni David within Japan when are they made this trip to Yasukuni is the population at large bothered by this are they offended at they kicked off or they just it's so we visited the Yasukuni Shrine shrine what else well I think the original public opinion polls showed the basic split in the population about you know him going to the shrine however more recent polling on the impact that that visit is having on the relations with China and with South Korea and others shows that a vast majority of Japanese are concerned about the problems that that visit has caused and I think that's really the crux of the issue right with the Yasukuni Shrine visits is does Prime Minister all they have the right to visit the shrine in his own country of course he does but does Prime Minister Ave have to be concerned with the impact that that visit is going to have on Japan's relations with other countries in Asia and by the way the US has a tight relationship with Japan and their alliance and when the u.s. sees that Japan is isolating itself from other countries in Asia that impacts our relations as well so we have an interest in that and I believe that's why the US has voiced some disappointment over over that visit aside from the relationships between Japan and Korea Japan and China and attempts within our own State Department to to restrain the senior leadership of Japan from Vice President Biden Vice Prime from visiting the Yasukuni Shrine are there ramifications in other quarters and globally or have identified with all the complainers well I think I think it wasn't just the traditional China South Korea complaints that you heard after this visit he also had complaints from different areas of Asia I saw things in Taiwan Singapore I don't know I think I think there were others this the complaints are not just I I don't completely agree with you know that it's just about a shift in international relations because there was a shift in the shrine itself that occurred after well the scholarship on this you know if there's a debate but a lot of people have argued that there was a shift to bring the war criminals into Yasukuni Shrine that government was was involved in that and that this led to raising of other countries concerns about when a visit ninety seventy eight additional the class-a war criminals was one of the reasons why the shrine should became more controversial than before but you know Cosby and cassia one humorous and they were added to the shrine area in the 1950s and at that time Prime Minister's you know continued to visit their skin shrine and it was not an international issue and one my AMARG you that before it became an international issue it was a domestic issue inside Japan and domestic rivals started complaining about it when the class-a war criminals were added and then the Koreans and Chinese criticism escalated after it should became ctrl+ instant Japan hey Jeff let's Jeffrey let's move from this Yasukuni profession to a more recent example that perhaps is evidence of the manifestation of a rising or reawakening nationalism in Japan and that's the na ji en HK executive ring was I guess appointed to that position by Prime Minister Ave and he gets in this position of a head of Japan's most prestigious Broadcasting System really and makes some some statements and so for our audience would you kind of bring them up to speed on what this what this this problem was all about yeah essentially you have NHK which is I guess the best comparison would be like the BBC it's a government Broadcasting Network and you have as you said he's appointed by the the administration and he makes a comment regarding the Nanjing Massacre I actually think there were two comments there was there was what about Nanjing comfort women right and there's concerns about well let's tell the audience what was that what was the comment they made about magic the Nanjing comment had to do with it didn't happen and the comfort women was that is the military brothels all countries during world war ii did military brothels and that the japanese government did not have a system and they didn't particularly do anything bad I believe that yeah after that okay and so and this rounds a lot of quarter of a lot of countries not just Korea and China but it riles a lot of other countries including scholars and administration officials in the US because there is a broader consensus around that what the Japanese Imperial Army did in Nanjing whether you call it a massacre of rape whatever you call it a lot of civilians were killed it doesn't matter and my personal belief doesn't matter if it was one or three hundred thousand the fact is that civilians were targeted and then you also have with the for women's which are is is a euphemism for sexual slavery that the Japanese military basically in perpetuated throughout virtually it was it was it wasn't just Koreans it was predominantly Koreans but you had Dutch in Indonesia you had Australians you had Chinese you had a lot of women that were put into this and so he was denying essentially Japanese involvement or Japanese or that the stuff took place and so it does ral a lot of other countries who have a very different perception of history a different understanding of history and so the reason why this is controversial is this is a gentleman who's in charge of this broadcast image this network who's supposed to be giving very neutral non politically biased news accounts and his own personal views swept him and gave us now people called for his resignation obey had did not come out to criticize and say that this was wrong essentially it was just this is his political beliefs everything is personal but doesn't this whole NHK incident doesn't it from the end from the outside of Japan doesn't it it hook in nicely here the understanding that that in the post-war period what Japan is attempted to do in educating its younger generation is to whitewash in the textbooks these types of terrible problems that that we believe in fact occurred during World War two right I think it feeds it feeds the optics are horrible because it feeds into the perception and the administration condones this because they didn't criticize it it also feeds into the optics that this could be publicly this could be the public opinion that's broadcasted that whole people of Japan and so it feeds into the public perception that that this is granted along with the obvious plan to move the control over the textbooks down to a lower level of the mirror level and so on a lot of people are concerned that that's also going to lead to textbooks being whitewashed and kind of a conservative bias maybe pushed in it you know we just talked about these two two examples Yasukuni and the nhk situation as a you know it's one thing that you can see probably on that anyway you evaluated on the negative side of the manifestation of a reawakening of nationalism in japan but let's let's shift now from our talk about maybe where the leadership is where they're going to what are the attitudes really in the people we were to take their temperature what would we find and I like you general to do is think about that because we're gonna go to a break now and we come back from the break let's get into that and talk about what is the feeling of the people really you're watching agent review I'm Dave a day and we'll be back right after the break to our TV show and our Asia in Review show on a level 54 as of January 1st we're adding community matters to play also two hours a week check out thick takeaway calm for the specific times of each of these shows we hope you enjoyed all three Mahalo I'm J Fidel Aloha I'm Maria cash em a faint a kawaii and I want to tell you about our think tech talk shows if you didn't know it think tech streams video and audio for all of its shows live on the internet from 2 to 5 p.m. every weekday afternoon and we replay them all night long on Ustream TV visit think Tec kawaii calm for our live stream and youtube links raise your awareness on think tech i'm maria cash em and i'll see you there we're back you're watching Asian review and I'm David day our program this evening is talking about the reawakening of Japanese nationalism and we have with those three distinguished experts here mr. Geoffrey Corning from the asia-pacific Center for Security Studies and associate professor there Geoffrey also has a big fancy title as the as a fellow what the Office of Japan or the Japan share helped me with this for this of the Japan care at the Center for Strategic and International Studies you can imagine what that looks like on a business card in the center of the group here we have a distinguished professor Gil Ichiro sato from RIT's maycon Asia Pacific University in Beppu Japan and on the far side another David David Foust who's an associate professor with the Asia Pacific Centre for Security Studies and Asia David is also any where is it regional specialist in Northeast Asia with a concentration on Japan gentleman right before the break we were talking about shifting now from my trying to to precisely pin where the ave government is on the issue of nationalism and at least we we've established that there that leadership is to the right of center how far and why we don't know whether it's genuine or not but at least they're there so let me ask the question what are the people really the feelings of nationalism have they have they really patriotism is that something if we were to go out and talk to the average person on the street would we see this with a very articulate you know I don't see a strong change in degree of nationalism in Japan and you know obviously people just living just as they did before and they're not paying particular attention to these sort of international issues but on the other hand you know the demonstrations in China Korea and all those pictures available in newspapers and some people started thinking why they're so upset and and some of them you know maybe shift toward the liberal side and I now we understand why they are upset and another's think that they're being upset without good reasons and they might shift it or all right are you saying that that in the people the the nationalistic feelings if they're there have arisen as a reaction to anti-japanese protests and that's my feeling it's more reactive than proactive movement st. David I agree and I think this is something that the right knows and that they've played upon I've seen nakanishi and other writers in Japan tour of the far right perspective argue that we need more of these types of events to help trigger an a stronger conservative movement inside of Japan what do you mean need more of these events well join our career in China and Korea when when Prime Minister all the goes to Yasukuni and you get this backlash this is a great thing yeah because you know the the right wing was fairly small in Japan for quite a while but when you have these events the backlash splits the Japanese public some of them are you know taking a harder stance towards those countries and it kind of fuels a growing conservative so it's a little bit it pushes more political strength in the in the corral of the current leadership rather well that's how coming either far right Ben it's from polarization let's expanse of the moderates furthest cannot grow in Japan all of our Soviet Union's gone forests cannot grow but far-right can grow a big spots of the motors are you to say are you two saying that that that the more that anti-japanese demonstrations take place in korea and in china that that the leadership is quietly applauding that and if they look at the backlash from visit to Yasukuni are you suggesting that there may be conversations quietly in the same senior leadership that says you know prime minister ave it's about time for you to make another visit to Yasukuni if it would help us is that what you're really saying yeah Jeff I'd Jeffrey I know you're not trying to be silent here on this but would you take on this I mean I just agree in some aspects because I knew you know there is the split amongst the population and there's a split also within the political elite and so you talk to people in in the foreign ministry of foreign affairs you talk to politicians who talk to people in the Ministry of Defense and as as was said earlier when these when things like the yes clean II visit occurs and there's a backlash a negative backlash where there's complaints about these visits you do have people in Japan in senior positions that worry about Japan's ability to take on leadership positions in Asia leadership positions and international organizations the closeness with the US because that's part of the backlash it's part of the back but Japanese legitimacy gets questioned and so I don't agree necessarily with this idea that the administration is fully you know applauding all these these things that happen but to go to the question you were asking about you know the population and and David was answering about how a lot of this the the population Japanese populist backlash usually follows events there is data when once a shirt hold that thought shirt mr. producer would you bring up photograph number three please this is a picture ladies and gentlemen of an anti-japanese protests taking place swearing you a general intent in China so so part of our discussion so far Jeffrey has been that that these types of protests are fueling the backlash right I think that it does have effect I just disagree with that that the administration applauds this but you do see that was my world over my were right but you do see there's data polling data by the Cabinet Office that asks about people's affinity towards other countries and you find that the affinity towards Korea towards China drops dramatically following events like President Korea's presidents Lee his visit to the disputed island or the text that is the big protests in China there's this massive drop that happens in in those polls afterwards which shows that there is a correlation that's happening with these things and Japanese I still don't exaggerate that Japanese do react to you know overseas demonstrations but here's the example you know right after this massive Chinese you know demonstration after Prime Minister Noda nationalized the Senkaku Islands I was in China in Chinatown in Yokohama okay there are many you know ethnic Chinese people living there having restaurants and no single broken glass in the entire Yokohama Chinatown Japanese didn't react in a violent way at all to you know that massive scale of demonstration in China a lot of Japanese shocks were destroyed cars were destroyed mr. producer would you put up photograph number four please you know why are we looking at this picture you know if we are talking about the kind of real sorry Japanese nationalism trying to recover what Japan lost at the end of the World War two then we have to revisit this question it's Japanese nationalism also targeted at the United States and that is a big question or more broadly is we've just showed a picture of the baby I guess the explosion of the the Arizona during Pearl Harbor the sinking of the Arizona are we are we more broadly talking about a reassertion of Japanese nationalism in the form of an aggressive military aggressive military I mean I mean I mean does does anybody seriously believe that the Japanese military is is at some point in time gonna pose a threat to the United States like in 1941 I don't know I know you're not saying that I mean I'm wondering if that the picture of Pearl Harbor is actually you know do the Koreans or Chinese actually believe that that Japan is becoming so assertive that it's going to attack know the significance of the power hob event is in this broad movement about division of the World War two history which is oftentimes associated with the discussion nationalism interests okay and you know he talked about denial about 19 massacre and comfort woman and things like that and the cross a walk in our shoes well some of the class a war criminals enroute criminal because of their involvement in over two in starting the world water and so if this kind of historical in a revision you know which class II was innocent which Grasse was guilty and you know revisit the Tokyo Korea a criminal trial then the u.s. gets dragged into this discussion about history okay and let's go mr. producer do to photograph number two if we could which is a picture of the Senkaku Islands and we are not going to take a lot of time to discuss that dispute but my question to you three gentlemen is are we gonna see this this toe-to-toe confrontation between China and Japan go on for a while or is there a solution to this on the horizon I'd say they're pretty dug in on both sides I don't think it's going anywhere and I don't think either country is looking to get into all-out war over it and both see the consequences are huge but that doesn't prevent an accident or you know some type of event that could lead to larger larger scale war its producer let's go to photograph number six if we could so ladies and gentlemen this is a overlay map of the East China Sea air defense identification zone that was recently imposed by China over the Senkaku Islands you see gentlemen you see an opportunity that this might be removed or is this an example of a hard one that's right because there is an overlap there David you want to explain that product well the United States and Japan have both had air defense identification zones in place for what 34 years and China recently imposed its own air defense identification zone overlapping with the Japanese there and and I think with one difference from the way that the u.s. and Japan some other country's had to impose there's that being that planes flying through there needed to give notification to the Chinese government regardless of whether they intended to actually approach the land yes okay and and so that that's a new spin on these adi season and it's something that concerned the united states and other countries so i think even on that point though i think it's often not stated though China is not the only country that does that the Philippines there ain't is you have to do fly through fly through and Taiwan also has the same rule okay I think he has a very clear political purpose and which that though it forces the u.s. you know over flights through the zone and you know US carriers have you know stopover in Tokyo and flying to Southeast Asia those trains are not heading into China but they required to report their flight plan with the Chinese authority and you know this created a split between the Japanese government which tore the domestic carriers not abide by the Chinese requests an American State Department which todo domestic carriers it's okay to computer and China clearly intended creating that kind of you know image of divergence and that's mine again for China mr. producer let's go back to this photograph number six one more time Europe we could just before we go to the break ladies and gentlemen I want you to notice these overlapping air defense identification zones the one for China the one for Japan you'll see them with different colored lines there and then towards the center of the picture you'll see and I guess it's a very light color the white line there is an air defense identification zone for Korea and as we go to the break I want you to remember a point that one of our guests David David Foust is made here that there is the very real possibility of an accident here because this is a very crowded area for traffic a lot of traffic a lot of air traffic and ship traffic and stay with us you're watching agent review we're talking about the reawakening of Japanese nationalism and we'll see you on the other side of the break Aloha I'm Nikhil Jorge for think Tech for nearly half a century the Hawaii Foreign Trade Zone number nine has brought the benefits of the Foreign Trade Zone program to Hawaii businesses and entrepreneurs D bet the Department of Business economic development and tourism operates Hawaii's Foreign Trade Zone program to encourage International Business and Economic Development the foreign trade zones mission is to increase the amount of international trading activity in Hawaii thereby providing employment opportunities for the residents of our island state for more information cftc 9.0 RG I'm Nikhil Horry Mahalo we're back you're watching Asian review and we're talking about the rail wakening of Japanese nationalism with Jeffrey Corning professor Yuichiro sato and professor David Foust and I left out the professor for Geoffrey Horning you are a professor but because your title is so long that we're going to drop that from now on that's fine if you know it's okay to have fun doing this as the big that's right and you know this is a pretty heavyweight intellectual group here I feel dwarfed by the three of you here but let me ask you a kind of throw out a very sensitive question on the table here you know as we look at Japanese Japanese post-war conduct and we look at the rise of a global player economically but Japan has been like a model global citizen and it has adhere strictly to its its constitution limiting its military to a defense posture you it's my view that nobody really takes seriously the notion of Japan as a military aggressor I mean that's gonna require a major flip in psychology and you know what you know general maybe you can answer this question why why is it that the Koreans and the Chinese can't seem to get over this 60-year old history why is that yeah from a Japanese perspective le I realize that the Koreans and Chinese will have a hard time on the show later I think one of the issue is that the domestic politics requires kind of using legitimacy of being anti Japanese you talk about in Korea the Korean mindset the Chinese version both in Korea and China anti-japanese at the Japanese is part of the identity which is which has a broad appeal to the populations in both China and Korea and in the Korea's case it's even more difficult because you know Korea didn't quite defeat Japan to end the war and this is different from the case of China you know Mao can clearly claim that he defeated Japan also you know he and the Juncker shake it is very common for the credit okay but the China as a whole can claim to have defeated Japan the Curia cannot and that's sort of like a psychological trauma in a sense and in the case of China you know the strong Chinese leader like Mao Mao could forgive Japan he was so strong domestically that he could forgive but the weaker Chinese leaders in more recent periods cannot forgive even though mouth was forgave it Wow now the new leaders going back to the you know dreaming mode again and for Japanese it's it's just utterly confusing you know what's happening in China well I suspect that Jeffrey and David would like to comment on this unfortunately they're not going to get to him because we're out of time here and gentlemen I'd like to thank you for Jeff recording uho yo a general Sato and David Foust thank you so much for taking time to join us with this program we hope to have you again here with think tech you're watching asian review and i'm david day please have a 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  1. that was a great discussion. i didnt really like the host though. like he said himself, he's not really in pare with these guys when it comes to knowledge in the area. but i do have to give him props when he put that pic of uss arizona. i was stuck on how it would further lead the discussion. but they way dr. soto answered the question was beautiful. overall though, great vid!!

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